I have never seen their plants, the highest quality plants I have ever seen came from Bob Gasser in the early 80s. He wrote a couple of articles for FAMA when it first came out and had a business of terrific plants with unbelievable variety. Don't know if anyone else ever dealt with him. Gerry Skau In Ann Arbor, where we are supposed to get rain to go with the 6+ inches we have gotten this month.